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Grouping : London Midland & Scottish Railway
Configuration : 4-6-0
Common Name : Black Five
Designer : Stanier

Introduced 1934. Stanier design 5MT. Experimental locos & date introduced:
(a) 1947 Outside Stephenson link motion, Timken roller bearings.
(b) 1948 Caprotti valve gear. (c) 1948 Caprotti valve gear, Timken bearngs.
(d) 1948 Caprotti valve gear, Timken roller bearings, double chimney.
(e) 1947 Timken roller bearings. (f) 1947 Timken bearings, double Chimney.
(g) 1949 Steel firebox. (h) Timken bearings on driving coupled axle only.
(i) 1950 Skefko roller bearings on driving coupled axle only.
(j) 1951 Caprotti valve gear, Skefko roller bearings, double chimney.
(k) Temporarily converted for oil burning in 1947, then reconverted back.
Weight Loco:
72 tons 2 cwt ( )(g), 75 tons 6 cwt (a)(e-f)(h-j), 74 tons 0 cwt (b-d)(k)
Driving Wheel: 6' 0" Boil Press: 225lb/sq in Su
Cylinders: Valve Gear: Walschaerts (piston valves) -
Two 18?" x 28" (outside) TE: 25,455 lb except where stated.


Total Locos for Class - 842

 

44658
44659
44660
44661
44662
44663
44664
44665
44666
44667
44668 a
44669 a
44670 a
44671 a
44672 a
44673 a
44674 a
44675 a
44676 a
44677 a
44678 k
44679 k
44680 k
44681 k
44682 k
44683 k
44684 k
44685 k
44686 b
44687 b
44688 m
44689 m
44690 m
44691 m
44692 m
44693 m
44694 m
44695 m
44696 m
44697 m
44698
44699
44700
44701
44702
44703
44704
44705
44706
44707
44708
44709
44710
44711
44712
44713
44714
44715
44716
44717 j
44718 j
44719 j
44720 j
44721 j
44722 j
44723 j
44724 j
44725 j
44726 j
44727 j
44728
44729
44730
44731
44732
44733
44734
44735
44736
44737
44738 e
44739 e
44740 e
44741 e
44742 e

44743 e
44744 e
44745 e
44746 e
44747 e
44748 f
44749 f
44750 f
44751 f
44752 f
44753 f
44754 f
44755 g
44756 g
44757 g
44758 h
44759 h
44760 h
44761 h
44762 h
44763 h
44764 h
44765 i
44766 i
44767 d
44768
44769
44770
44771
44772
44773
44774
44775
44776
44777
44778
44779
44780
44781
44782
44783
44784
44785
44786
44787
44788
44789
44790
44791
44792
44793
44794
44795
44796
44797
44798
44799
44800
44801
44802
44803
44804
44805
44806
44807
44808
44809
44810
44811
44812
44813
44814
44815
44816
44817
44818
44819
44820
44821
44822
44823
44824
44825
44826 c
44827 c

44828
44829 c
44830 c
44831
44832
44833
44834
44835
44836
44837
44838
44839
44840
44841
44842
44843
44844 c
44845
44846
44847
44848
44849
44850
44851
44852
44853
44854
44855
44856
44857
44858
44859
44860
44861
44862
44863
44864
44865
44866
44867
44868
44869
44870
44871
44872
44873
44874
44875
44876
44877
44878
44879
44880
44881
44882
44883
44884
44885
44886
44887
44888
44889
44890
44891
44892
44893
44894
44895
44896
44897
44898
44899
44900
44901
44902
44903
44904
44905
44906
44907
44908
44909
44910
44911
44912

44913
44914
44915
44916
44917
44918
44919
44920
44921
44922
44923
44924
44925
44926
44927
44928
44929
44930
44931
44932
44933
44934
44935
44936
44937
44938
44939
44940
44941
44942
44943
44944
44945
44946
44947
44948
44949
44950
44951
44952
44953
44954
44955
44956
44957
44958
44959
44960
44961
44962
44963
44964
44965
44966
44967
44968
44969
44970
44971
44972
44973
44974
44975
44976
44977
44978
44979
44980
44981
44982
44983
44984
44985
44986
44987
44988
44989
44990
44991
44992
44993
44994
44995
44996
44997

44998
44999
45000
45001
45002
45003
45004
45005
45006
45007
45008
45009
45010
45011
45012
45013
45014
45015
45016
45017
45018
45019
45020
45021
45022
45023
45024
45025
45026
45027
45028
45029
45030
45031
45032
45033
45034
45035
45036
45037
45038
45039
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45041
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45043
45044
45045
45046
45047
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45050
45051
45052
45053
45054
45055
45056
45057
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45059
45060
45061
45062
45063
45064
45065
45066
45067
45068
45069
45070
45071
45072
45073
45074
45075
45076
45077
45078
45079
45080
45081
45082

45083
45084
45085
45086
45087
45088
45089
45090
45091
45092
45093
45094
45095
45096
45097
45098
45099
45100
45101
45102
45103
45104
45105
45106
45107
45108
45109
45110
45111
45112
45113
45114
45115
45116
45117
45118
45119
45120
45121
45122
45123
45124
45125
45126
45127
45128
45129
45130
45131
45132
45133
45134
45135
45136
45137
45138
45139
45140
45141
45142
45143
45144
45145
45146
45147
45148
45149
45150
45151
45152
45153
45154
45155
45156
45157
45158
45159
45160
45161
45162
45163
45164
45165
45166
45167

45168
45169
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45171
45172
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45174
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45176
45177
45178
45179
45180
45181
45182
45183
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45185
45186
45187
45188
45189
45190
45191
45192
45193
45194
45195
45196
45197
45198
45199
45200
45201
45202
45203
45204
45205
45206
45207
45208
45209
45210
45211
45212
45213
45214
45215
45216
45217
45218
45219
45220
45221
45222
45223
45224
45225
45226
45227
45228
45229
45230
45231
45232
45233
45234
45235
45236
45237
45238
45239
45240
45241
45242
45243
45244
45245
45246
45247
45248
45249
45250
45251
45252

45253
45254
45255
45256
45257
45258
45259
45260
45261
45262
45263
45264
45265
45266
45267
45268
45269
45270
45271
45272
45273
45274
45275
45276
45277
45278
45279
45280
45281
45282
45283
45284
45285
45286
45287
45288
45289
45290
45291
45292
45293
45294
45295
45296
45297
45298
45299
45300
45301
45302
45303
45304
45305
45306
45307
45308
45309
45310
45311
45312
45313
45314
45315
45316
45317
45318
45319
45320
45321
45322
45323
45324
45325
45326
45327
45328
45329
45330
45331
45332
45333
45334
45335
45336
45337

45338
45339
45340
45341
45342
45343
45344
45345
45346
45347
45348
45349
45350
45351
45352
45353
45354
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45356
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45361
45362
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45370
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45375
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45380
45381
45382
45383
45384
45385
45386
45387
45388
45389
45390
45391
45392
45393
45394
45395
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45398
45399
45400
45401
45402
45403
45404
45405
45406
45407
45408
45409
45410
45411
45412
45413
45414
45415
45416
45417
45418
45419
45420
45421
45422

45423
45424
45425
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45428
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45430
45431
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45486
45487
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45491
45492
45493
45494
45495
45496
45497
45498
45499


Images for Loco Class BLACK

LMS Class Stanier Black 5 5MT 4-6-0
Date Photo Taken: 1934
Image Owner/Copyright: Unknown
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LMS Class Stanier Black 5 5MT 4-6-0 No. 5000 (BR No. 45000). This was the first engine built with domeless boiler and low superheat, in LMS black livery. Official Photo.


LMS/BR Stanier Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44670 at Canal Junction 1963
Date Photo Taken: 08/1963
Date Uploaded 14/12/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Unknown
Views: 665
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LMS/BR Stanier Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44670 approaches Canal Junction in August 1963 on the Waverley Line. The train had come from the new Kingmoor yard and will take the most westerly of Carlisle's two avoiding freight lines. The loco was withdrawn from 68A Carlisle Kingmoor shed in January 1966 and cut up by T.W. Ward, Beighton in April 1966.

The lines leading off to the left, went to Carlisle Canal shed which close a few weeks earlier on 17th June 1963. On the extreme left, the edge of the platform for Port Carlisle Junction station can be seen. The station opened on 29/10/1861 and closed 01/07/1864

Taken from Canal Junction signal box.

Rescan of original


LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 45322 at Birmingham New Street Station 1953
Date Photo Taken: c1953
Date Uploaded 15/05/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Unknown
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This picture also appears in this album : Trainspotting in the 1950s and 1960s and What We Used to Wear

LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 45322 in the gloom at Birmingham New Street Station before it was rebuilt, watched by a collection of older trainspotters who are wearing long trousers and jackets.


LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44852 on the Thame Clyde at Holbeck Junction Leeds 1956
Date Photo Taken: c1956
Date Uploaded 15/05/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Unknown
Views: 1430
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This picture also appears in this album : Trainspotting in the 1950s and 1960s and What We Used to Wear

LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44852 on The Thames Clyde at Holbeck Junction Leeds in 1956, waiting to exchange locomotives.

A collection of trainspotters wearing various attire of the period watch with interest.


LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44751 at Manchester Victoria/Exchange 1960
Date Photo Taken: 03/09/1960
Date Uploaded 19/05/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under the Creative Commons Licence
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This picture also appears in this album : Trainspotting in the 1950s and 1960s and What We Used to Wear

LMS/BR Class Black Five 4-6-0 No. 44751 fitted with Caprotti valve gear and roller-bearings, approaches Manchester Victoria station 3rd September 1960. A view eastward from the east end of the long through platform Nos. 11/3, showing the ex-L&Y main lines up the bank towards Miles Platting and Yorkshire. On the left is Victoria East Box, which controlled the junction with the Manchester Loop to Cheetham Hill Junction and Thorpes Bridge Junction.

The approach is admired by a bevvy of trainspotters all wearing jackets on this wet day and either long or short trousers.


LMS/BR Class Black 5 4-6-0 No. 45103 at Carlisle Canal Shed 1962
Date Photo Taken: c1963
Date Uploaded 22/06/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Unknown
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LMS/BR Class Black 5 4-6-0 No. 45103 stans in the yard at Carlisle Canal Shed circa 1962. The early 1960s saw LMS engines starting to replace the ex-NB and LNER ones. NB Class N15/1 No. 69155 and a J39 can be seen in the background


BR/LMS Black 5 4-6-0 44912 at Nottingham Victoria Station 1959
Date Photo Taken: 14/03/1959
Date Uploaded 25/09/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Copyright Ben Brooksbank and licensed for reuse under the Creative Commons Licence
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BR/LMS Stanier Black 5 4-6-0 44912 at Nottingham Victoria Station 14 March 1959

A view southward, towards Leicester and London, also Grantham etc.; ex-Great Central main line, Sheffield Victoria - London Marylebone, also ex-Great Northern Derby - Grantham line. Note the elaborate footbridge, which linked the two main islands at this south end, then the South Signalbox virtually underneath the massive Parliament Street Bridge and the Tunnel bore, immediately beyond which the Grantham line bore off left.

The train, heading south behind Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 No. 44912, is a Sheffield Victoria to Poole express, which will leave the London line at Woodford Halse for Banbury, thence Oxford, Didcot, Reading West, Basingstoke, Southampton and Bournemouth.

The loco was withdrawn from Leeds Holbeck Shed in September 1967 and cut up by Cashmores, Great Bridge in september 1968


BR/LMS Class Black 5 No. 44894 & Princess Class No. 46200 at Carlisle Kingmoor 1963
Date Photo Taken: 09/06/1963
Date Uploaded 26/09/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Howie Milburn
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BR/LMS Class Black 5 4-6-0 No. 44894 hauls a withdrawn unidentified Hughes Crab 2-6-0 and Stanier Princess Class 4-6-2 pacific No. 46200 'The Princess Royal' out of Kingmoor shed (just off the photo on the right) on 9 June 1963. The dead locos had been stored at 68 Kingmoor shed and were being moved to 12A Upperby shed to be stored there, out of use for 2 Years

44894 was withdrawn from 11A Carnforth at the end of steam in August 1968 and was cut up by Drapers, Neptune Street Goods Yard, Hull in May 1969

46200 had been withdrawn from 68A Carlisle Kingmoor shed in November 1962 and was eventually cut up by Connels, Coatbridge in October 1964


BR/LMS Black 5 4-6-0 45192 at Carlisle 1963
Date Photo Taken: 07/1963
Date Uploaded 12/11/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Howie Milburn
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BR/LMS Stanier Black 5 4-6-0 45192 heads from Carlisle station to Kingmoor Shed with another unknown member of the class in July 1963. The loco was withdrawn from Grangemouth shed in August 1965 and cut up by Motherwell Machinery & Scrap, Inslow Works, Wishaw in November 1965


BR/LMS Black 5 4-6-0 45123 at Carlisle Kingmoor Shed 1963
Date Photo Taken: 07/1963
Date Uploaded 12/11/2013
Image Owner/Copyright: Howie Milburn
Views: 147
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A close up of the cab and tablet catcher fitted to BR/LMS Stanier Black 5 4-6-0 45123 at Carlisle Kingmoor Shed in July 1963. The loco was withdrawn from Hurlford shed in September 1963 and cut up by Barnes & Bell, Coatbridge in April 1964


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